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intel announced that its next x86 processor, code-named willamette, will be called the pentium 4. the new chip is expected to be launched in q4 2000, running at speeds starting at 1.4ghz and being sold in increments of 100mhz from there.
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the pentium 4 is expected to be launched with a chipset that supports only rdram (no sdram or ddr), a 400mhz effective bus speed (100mhz * 4), and dual rdram channels. the first pentium 4 chips will feature a 423-pin interface, different than the current fc-pga interface (which has 370 pins) and thus requiring new motherboards to use the chips.
read the press release and check out the new logo at intel's website. thanks to brian l. who was the first among several readers to call this to our attention.
rob's opinion
so, why not call it the pentium iv? that certainly looks cooler than pentium 4. perhaps that would frighten consumers that do not understand that iv stands for 4. pentium iii used roman numerals, but actually used exclamation points pretty often listed as “pentium !!!” which i always thought was foolish.
so, why not call it the pentium iv? that certainly looks cooler than pentium 4. perhaps that would frighten consumers that do not understand that iv stands for 4. pentium iii used roman numerals, but actually used exclamation points pretty often listed as “pentium !!!” which i always thought was foolish.
the register has several slow-loading (at least for me) pictures of a prototype pentium 4 motherboard, and you can see just how large the pentium 4 die is compared to the tiny fc-pga chips many people are used to today.
i was surprised to see what i felt was very misleading coverage of the pentium 4 name announcement on the san jose mercury news co-branded siliconvalley.com website. the title of the news item is “chipmaker introduces pentium 4 processor at speeds of 1.5 gigahertz,” which could lead you to believe that the 1.5ghz chip either had a specific announced availability date or is available now–neither of which is true. the item goes on to say: “the pentium 4, which goes on sale this fall, far outpaces the processing power of amd's recently announced athlon chip, which runs at 1 gigahertz.” that's interesting, as a pre-announcement chip that may not arrive for 5 months is being compared to one that is available now, and not what will be available when it arrives. amd is expected to have a 1.4ghz athlon in q1 2001, while intel's pentium 4 is expected to launch in q4 2000, which may be as late as december 31. next, we have the references of 1ghz being equivalent to “1 billion bits of information per second.” technically, 1ghz = 1 billion cycles per second, not bits (ok, nitpicky there). finally, there is the quote: “intel's fastest chip until now has been a pentium iii that processes information at 850 megahertz.” intel announced availability of a 1ghz pentium iii way back in january 2000. however, even if you don't want to count that (as there weren't really any available then), intel certainly has 933mhz pentium iiis out there now and has since may 24th. as a final note, everyone makes mistakes, and i'm certainly not going to cast any stones beyond disputing the article on a factual basis.
user comments (133 comments)
misleading coverage (3:20pm est thu jun 29 2000)
if the rest of the media had a clue, we wouldn't need geek.com. let them continue to make idiots of themselves – we know where to find the real story… – by ryan
if the rest of the media had a clue, we wouldn't need geek.com. let them continue to make idiots of themselves – we know where to find the real story… – by ryan
word of advice to intel (4:09pm est thu jun 29 2000)
end x86 now! come up with something really new! – by yoyomama!
end x86 now! come up with something really new! – by yoyomama!
mo money (4:22pm est thu jun 29 2000)
i need to be making so much more money…i want i want. at any rate, can anyone explain the 400mhz bus speed to me. thank you. – by me
i need to be making so much more money…i want i want. at any rate, can anyone explain the 400mhz bus speed to me. thank you. – by me
life (5:07pm est thu jun 29 2000)
how much is this chip a new board and 128 of rdram going to cost. i would be willing to pay a lot less for an athlon at 1 or more gigahertz – by hmm big
how much is this chip a new board and 128 of rdram going to cost. i would be willing to pay a lot less for an athlon at 1 or more gigahertz – by hmm big
mo money (5:36pm est thu jun 29 2000)
i need to be making so much more money…i want i want. at any rate, can anyone explain the 400mhz bus speed to me. thank you. – by me
i need to be making so much more money…i want i want. at any rate, can anyone explain the 400mhz bus speed to me. thank you. – by me
rdram only? (6:02pm est thu jun 29 2000)
i don't understand why intel is forcing users to use only rdram with the new p iv i may have missed something but is the p iv going to be optimized to use rdram or is intel just trying to force all customers to buy the more expensive type of ram for fun? – by f0rmat
i don't understand why intel is forcing users to use only rdram with the new p iv i may have missed something but is the p iv going to be optimized to use rdram or is intel just trying to force all customers to buy the more expensive type of ram for fun? – by f0rmat
rdram a ripoff (6:17pm est thu jun 29 2000)
rdram is the biggest ripoff in computer history.
it is no faster then sdram and cost 10 times as much. i'll take the good ol' athlon processor any day. – by by heavy k
rdram is the biggest ripoff in computer history.
it is no faster then sdram and cost 10 times as much. i'll take the good ol' athlon processor any day. – by by heavy k
rdram and pentium 4 (9:17pm est thu jun 29 2000)
if the p4 do not use the rdram, then it would be useless to introduce the p4 in the first place.
if the p4 do not use the rdram, then it would be useless to introduce the p4 in the first place.
is the p4 64-bit? will the x86 processor be simulated by software or hardware(assuming p4 is a new architecture).
– by geek007
32 bit (9:59pm est thu jun 29 2000)
the pentium 4 is still 32 bit but intel's itanium processor will be 64 bit and will be able to emulate 32 bit – by hw
the pentium 4 is still 32 bit but intel's itanium processor will be 64 bit and will be able to emulate 32 bit – by hw
pentium 4? (10:56pm est thu jun 29 2000)
gee, and i thought they got a lot of slack in naming the pentium 3. for all those who complained about the pentium 3 being an unoriginal name, they're going to have a hay day with this one.
gee, and i thought they got a lot of slack in naming the pentium 3. for all those who complained about the pentium 3 being an unoriginal name, they're going to have a hay day with this one.
and only able to use rdram? that's going to cost them. i really hope this is enough to convince sme of the intel fanatics that amd is doing a good job, and intel isn't always all that it's cracked up to be. – by jacob
p4 bus & ram (11:28pm est thu jun 29 2000)
as i understand it, the 400 mhz. bus of the p4 is a quad data rate 100 mhz. bus, much like the athlon ev6 is a ddr 100 mhz. as far as the limitation to drdram, intel may be less solid on this path and may develop a ddr compatible chipset and keep it in its back pocket. if not, and the current limited availability of rambus persists, and ddr becomes mainstream and cheap, they may be forced to develop some sort of mth for ddr sdram to at least offer support. in support of rambus however, i would like to say that its recently announced quad rambus signaling technology sounds quite compatible with the qdr bus of the p4. – by trivial psychic
as i understand it, the 400 mhz. bus of the p4 is a quad data rate 100 mhz. bus, much like the athlon ev6 is a ddr 100 mhz. as far as the limitation to drdram, intel may be less solid on this path and may develop a ddr compatible chipset and keep it in its back pocket. if not, and the current limited availability of rambus persists, and ddr becomes mainstream and cheap, they may be forced to develop some sort of mth for ddr sdram to at least offer support. in support of rambus however, i would like to say that its recently announced quad rambus signaling technology sounds quite compatible with the qdr bus of the p4. – by trivial psychic
intel has rambus making sdram overpriced (12:04am est fri jun 30 2000)
intel will be able to make sdram just as much as rdram with rambus's help. plus rdram on a 400 mhz bus will boost preformance big time. the only reason rdram doesnt beat sdram is its latency but with a 267 mhz bus jump that will change(some one remind me whats is sdram est. top clock speed is/bandwith?). how did they(rambus) get the pattent to sdram anyways, through intel's cash infusions maybe?
[email protected] – by vic
intel will be able to make sdram just as much as rdram with rambus's help. plus rdram on a 400 mhz bus will boost preformance big time. the only reason rdram doesnt beat sdram is its latency but with a 267 mhz bus jump that will change(some one remind me whats is sdram est. top clock speed is/bandwith?). how did they(rambus) get the pattent to sdram anyways, through intel's cash infusions maybe?
[email protected] – by vic
pentium 4 name (3:04am est fri jun 30 2000)
i'm surprised that they went w/ “pentium” yet again. the original “pentium” was called so because another company had “586” copyrighted already. after intel was un-able to come to an agreement w/ the small company, they named the processor “pentium” of course “penti” signifies “5”. when they released the pentium ii, this was brought up but intels standpoint was to stick to the new name they had spent so much revenue hyping. at this point, pentium 4, “basically saying 5-4.” is a little bit much. they should stick to thier codenames they originally give the chips, they are much more interesting. – by dave kaplan
i'm surprised that they went w/ “pentium” yet again. the original “pentium” was called so because another company had “586” copyrighted already. after intel was un-able to come to an agreement w/ the small company, they named the processor “pentium” of course “penti” signifies “5”. when they released the pentium ii, this was brought up but intels standpoint was to stick to the new name they had spent so much revenue hyping. at this point, pentium 4, “basically saying 5-4.” is a little bit much. they should stick to thier codenames they originally give the chips, they are much more interesting. – by dave kaplan
so what's next… (5:22am est fri jun 30 2000)
although i still twitch orgasmically at the thought of building one of these new systems, the practicality of it escapes me. funny, but it seems that my pentium iii 500 with 256 mb ram runs everything just fine. so until some massive bloatware.. er… software comes out that needs this power, i'm afraid i won't be upgrading. i'll wait for amd's next offering….
although i still twitch orgasmically at the thought of building one of these new systems, the practicality of it escapes me. funny, but it seems that my pentium iii 500 with 256 mb ram runs everything just fine. so until some massive bloatware.. er… software comes out that needs this power, i'm afraid i won't be upgrading. i'll wait for amd's next offering….
– by power tool
sdram is open sourced (5:24am est fri jun 30 2000)
the sdram specs were made from a consortium of the major memory manufacturers. no one owns patents on the sdram manufacturing process… unlike that of rdram which rambus and intel charge a “royalty” fee of sorts which adds to the price of the already expensive-to-make chips. intel loves its customers so much that it charges them as much as possible for a half-baked technology that delivers few, if any, of the amazing promises intel has purported and shows in real world performance to barely be as good as existing cheaper technology (pc133). when ddr sdram comes out, then we'll see intel with its rdram pants down big time since the next athlon chipset is going to support ddr and will probably smoke rdram systems and their horrible latency problems. – by che
the sdram specs were made from a consortium of the major memory manufacturers. no one owns patents on the sdram manufacturing process… unlike that of rdram which rambus and intel charge a “royalty” fee of sorts which adds to the price of the already expensive-to-make chips. intel loves its customers so much that it charges them as much as possible for a half-baked technology that delivers few, if any, of the amazing promises intel has purported and shows in real world performance to barely be as good as existing cheaper technology (pc133). when ddr sdram comes out, then we'll see intel with its rdram pants down big time since the next athlon chipset is going to support ddr and will probably smoke rdram systems and their horrible latency problems. – by che
pentium 4 to athlon (8:15am est fri jun 30 2000)
i have always been with intel, and would love a
pentium-4 but seeing how they are only using rdram
i might be forced to go with amd cause rdram is
just way to exspensive. besides i've always
wanted an athlon anyway. looks like my next processor is determind then. besides i think its
totally unfair that intell make people go out and
purchase a new motherboard. can't they make a nother adapter for slot-1 boards? but then you need rdram. dammit intel!!! amd here i come. p.s right now i got a p-3 550e but that will soon change once prices come down on the athlon 800. besides considering my parttime job, i don't think i will be able to afford the cpu. although 1.5ghz sounds nice. – by dave q
i have always been with intel, and would love a
pentium-4 but seeing how they are only using rdram
i might be forced to go with amd cause rdram is
just way to exspensive. besides i've always
wanted an athlon anyway. looks like my next processor is determind then. besides i think its
totally unfair that intell make people go out and
purchase a new motherboard. can't they make a nother adapter for slot-1 boards? but then you need rdram. dammit intel!!! amd here i come. p.s right now i got a p-3 550e but that will soon change once prices come down on the athlon 800. besides considering my parttime job, i don't think i will be able to afford the cpu. although 1.5ghz sounds nice. – by dave q
then how is rambus getting royaties from sdram (8:17pm est fri jun 30 2000)
if you have been paying attention toshiba is paying royalties to rambus for sdram and ddr ram(http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/q22000/chi2000616001680.htm) and hitachi is too(http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/q22000/chi2000623001728.htm)
so if sdram and ddr is royalty free why are they paying out? – by vic
if you have been paying attention toshiba is paying royalties to rambus for sdram and ddr ram(http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/q22000/chi2000616001680.htm) and hitachi is too(http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/q22000/chi2000623001728.htm)
so if sdram and ddr is royalty free why are they paying out? – by vic
an old article tocks about rambus pattents (8:23pm est fri jun 30 2000)
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/jan2000/gee2000327001053.htm
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/jan2000/gee2000327001053.htm
read this rambus my be better off than we think they may be controlling the memory market in under a year, and how big is intel stake in rambus and micron?
[email protected] – by vic
[email protected] – by vic
intel and its attempt to (9:25pm est fri jun 30 2000)
it really pisses me off how intel keep trying to force consumers to get rambus. it is really stupid how they got involved with rambus at the first place without much done research. the p4 release with rambus would continue to piss the consumer off, how do you expect them to compete with amd then when they dont listen to their consumers like us??? – by mark
it really pisses me off how intel keep trying to force consumers to get rambus. it is really stupid how they got involved with rambus at the first place without much done research. the p4 release with rambus would continue to piss the consumer off, how do you expect them to compete with amd then when they dont listen to their consumers like us??? – by mark
bye bye billy (10:55pm est fri jun 30 2000)
wow…rdram, forget that i don't care to pay for anything that is not worth it…and this stuff does not seem to be (from all reports)..
so pentium 4..forget it
amd here i come – by cyguy
wow…rdram, forget that i don't care to pay for anything that is not worth it…and this stuff does not seem to be (from all reports)..
so pentium 4..forget it
amd here i come – by cyguy
speed (12:20am est sat jul 01 2000)
the pentium 4 is supposedly faster than the current athlon processor. that's a bold statement considering the p4 is only starting at a 100 mhz bus speed where the athlon processors are runn ing up to 200 mhz bus speeds. – by gene
the pentium 4 is supposedly faster than the current athlon processor. that's a bold statement considering the p4 is only starting at a 100 mhz bus speed where the athlon processors are runn ing up to 200 mhz bus speeds. – by gene
speed: my mistake (12:22am est sat jul 01 2000)
sorry misread info. ignore the previous statement. – by gene
sorry misread info. ignore the previous statement. – by gene
p4 vs. piv (3:42pm est sat jul 01 2000)
i think all of us geeks will shorthand the pentium 4/iv “p4” no matter what moniker intel actually uses. – by format c:
i think all of us geeks will shorthand the pentium 4/iv “p4” no matter what moniker intel actually uses. – by format c:
why bother (5:50pm est sat jul 01 2000)
i'm working on a quantum pc powered by sub
tropical wavelets (best frequency set) that
will yield the result before the computation starts (there is no arrow of time at the
quantum level) at the rate intel is going
it will take them at least another 5 epochs
to catch up. see you in the future !
so long suckersssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss – by zeno 4
i'm working on a quantum pc powered by sub
tropical wavelets (best frequency set) that
will yield the result before the computation starts (there is no arrow of time at the
quantum level) at the rate intel is going
it will take them at least another 5 epochs
to catch up. see you in the future !
so long suckersssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss – by zeno 4
conspiracy (6:32pm est sat jul 01 2000)
suddenly, intel comes on with an new marketing plan..called pentium 4. this is total foolishness.
suddenly, intel comes on with an new marketing plan..called pentium 4. this is total foolishness.
the need for speed is genearted by slower os by microsoft. we need not faster computers. the pentium 4 is a rouse. all of a sudden programs get slower. clearly a pentium 4 will run windows me or windows professional and that will be the specs..generatating new need for software.
honestly i recommend that the average consumer by a computer ever 3-5 years or skipping at least 1 chip.
what really needs to happen is a change of attitude in broadband..don't use broadband in a silly hapazard way..giving us garbage ads. what is lacking in today society is content.
broadband needs to continue to get cheaper. we need to have very low cost dsl. not faster computers. i was at pc expo and the time of the pc is nearly over. we have endured 30 years of the pc, and its rapidly coming to an end. all people care about is wired computing. a pc is mearly a tool and not a magical object that bill gates makes it out to be.
bill gates has lost his innovation. his vision is limited to his marketing presence..microsoft has gotten to be to big for its own good.
– by kingpin
– by kingpin
is histroy repeating itself? (5:24pm est sun jul 02 2000)
do you remember in the eighties when big blue tried to move the industry to its own proriatory systems, and nearly went out of business. is intel trying to repeat history, with the forced use of propriatory motherboards and memory systems?. at least ibm were the clear market leaders when they made this foolish mistake. – by andrew k.
do you remember in the eighties when big blue tried to move the industry to its own proriatory systems, and nearly went out of business. is intel trying to repeat history, with the forced use of propriatory motherboards and memory systems?. at least ibm were the clear market leaders when they made this foolish mistake. – by andrew k.
the die… (5:33am est mon jul 03 2000)
that not the size of the die, it's just a heatplate thats attached to the cpu die. – by danny graham
that not the size of the die, it's just a heatplate thats attached to the cpu die. – by danny graham
intel beats amd (9:53am est wed jul 05 2000)
common rob! be reasonable. intel clearly beats amd…
don't be jelauos. amd eventially will shrink its market share. i'm not talking about i64, yet. they will die there.
stop picking up on intel, thay are good guys too. – by a. larrison @oracle
common rob! be reasonable. intel clearly beats amd…
don't be jelauos. amd eventially will shrink its market share. i'm not talking about i64, yet. they will die there.
stop picking up on intel, thay are good guys too. – by a. larrison @oracle
intel sucks!!! (5:36pm est wed jul 05 2000)
always cheer for the underdog…fah-q intel, the willamette will suck cause its proprietary and the new athlons will beat the pantz off it…
as fer itanium….heh, the k8 should take it to school. amd needs the peoples support, they obviously have the balls and brains to try new things instead of clumsily hanging on to x86
always cheer for the underdog…fah-q intel, the willamette will suck cause its proprietary and the new athlons will beat the pantz off it…
as fer itanium….heh, the k8 should take it to school. amd needs the peoples support, they obviously have the balls and brains to try new things instead of clumsily hanging on to x86
go amd!!! (athlonz rule!!!)
a.larrison is a tool…intel and their big brother
tactix should burn and die. any quasi-monopoly like intel and microsquash should be obliterated… – by gabriel
tactix should burn and die. any quasi-monopoly like intel and microsquash should be obliterated… – by gabriel
intel (1:20am est fri jul 07 2000)
screw you guys im gonna go play wolfenstein on my 486 woo hehehehe ahhh hahahahaah its still fun woohooo die nazi die hehehehe – by jimmy p.
screw you guys im gonna go play wolfenstein on my 486 woo hehehehe ahhh hahahahaah its still fun woohooo die nazi die hehehehe – by jimmy p.
intel – rambus (6:02pm est sun jul 09 2000)
if all of you people who are talking about intel and rambus would do the reasearch you would not be saying what you are right now. read this article from a popular memory maker and see why rambus is betterthan sdram.
http://www.kingston.com/rambus/drmab.asp
now check out egghead.com's prices on rambus and how they have dramatically reduced in price. yes they are still expensive but certainly worth the extra price, especially with a p4.
http://search.egghead.com/isapi/isapi.dll?command=search.exe&pagenumber=0&sortingmethod=1&categoryid=0&manufacturerid=0&searchtype=all_info&searchsupersiteid=0&searchstring=rambus
kingston will be the manufacturer of memory for intel. lets think about this for a second. a p4 running at 1.4ghz, the only thing even close to that is amd's mustang which will have the old 200mhz bus, as standard on athlons, compared to the p4's 400mhz. this is another huge performance increase over amd. rambus comes in many speeds. if you read on their website, you'll see that they expect to reach speeds of 1.6ghz just on memory! think about the benifits that will give you on a p4 system. even the 600mhz non-ecc-8 device will be a big improvment over sdram! right now i have an amd athlon 700mhz processor and 128mb sdram and yes i will fork out the extra cash for a new motherboard, rambus, and a p4 just because of the huge performance increase by it. so they next time you post any comments make sure you reasearch beforehand.
– by john
if all of you people who are talking about intel and rambus would do the reasearch you would not be saying what you are right now. read this article from a popular memory maker and see why rambus is betterthan sdram.
http://www.kingston.com/rambus/drmab.asp
now check out egghead.com's prices on rambus and how they have dramatically reduced in price. yes they are still expensive but certainly worth the extra price, especially with a p4.
http://search.egghead.com/isapi/isapi.dll?command=search.exe&pagenumber=0&sortingmethod=1&categoryid=0&manufacturerid=0&searchtype=all_info&searchsupersiteid=0&searchstring=rambus
kingston will be the manufacturer of memory for intel. lets think about this for a second. a p4 running at 1.4ghz, the only thing even close to that is amd's mustang which will have the old 200mhz bus, as standard on athlons, compared to the p4's 400mhz. this is another huge performance increase over amd. rambus comes in many speeds. if you read on their website, you'll see that they expect to reach speeds of 1.6ghz just on memory! think about the benifits that will give you on a p4 system. even the 600mhz non-ecc-8 device will be a big improvment over sdram! right now i have an amd athlon 700mhz processor and 128mb sdram and yes i will fork out the extra cash for a new motherboard, rambus, and a p4 just because of the huge performance increase by it. so they next time you post any comments make sure you reasearch beforehand.
– by john
intel p 5 should be out by next x-mass (1:05am est mon jul 10 2000)
i have heard that the p 5 which would be the last of the pentium series would run about 3 ghz…
i have heard that the p 5 which would be the last of the pentium series would run about 3 ghz…
so as soon as you buy a pentium 4 it will be replaced by something more powerful.
what happened to that merced chip? i guess it will be that p 5
– by jack meoph
32 bit? (10:57am est mon jul 10 2000)
hw?
you'll find that ia-64 uses expicid parallel processing (i think that's right) epp breaks 64 bit into 3 pieces that it processes in parallel. i think there is a degree of hard ware emulation for ia-32 built in but i'm not sure. either way ia-64 is able to emulate ia-32 but with the performance of a katami piii rather than the coppermine piii or willamette piv. – by scott
hw?
you'll find that ia-64 uses expicid parallel processing (i think that's right) epp breaks 64 bit into 3 pieces that it processes in parallel. i think there is a degree of hard ware emulation for ia-32 built in but i'm not sure. either way ia-64 is able to emulate ia-32 but with the performance of a katami piii rather than the coppermine piii or willamette piv. – by scott
p5 (11:02am est mon jul 10 2000)
jack
as far as i'm aware the willamette is the last ia-32 chip, as intel plan to take us to ia-64 pretty soon. the merced chip was renamed itanium.
intel do have a the foster ia-32 core but that is supposed to be just released along side the piv as the next generation xeon. – by scott
jack
as far as i'm aware the willamette is the last ia-32 chip, as intel plan to take us to ia-64 pretty soon. the merced chip was renamed itanium.
intel do have a the foster ia-32 core but that is supposed to be just released along side the piv as the next generation xeon. – by scott
rambus (11:13am est mon jul 10 2000)
rambus seems to be getting alot of bad press at the moment, but i think it's a bit unfair. the only flaw i can see with rambus is it's price. i belive rambus is the future of ram, providing the price can be dropped. rambus is significantly more efficient than sdram and very fast. intel have been getting all the bad luck, if the willamette is as good as i belive it will be, then then rambus is going to come into it's own.
whilst ddr sdram (100mhz ver) may have a slightly higher theoretical bandwidth, but in real terms rambus has the edge. sdram is on it's last legs, but that doesn't mean it will go down without a fight. – by scott
rambus seems to be getting alot of bad press at the moment, but i think it's a bit unfair. the only flaw i can see with rambus is it's price. i belive rambus is the future of ram, providing the price can be dropped. rambus is significantly more efficient than sdram and very fast. intel have been getting all the bad luck, if the willamette is as good as i belive it will be, then then rambus is going to come into it's own.
whilst ddr sdram (100mhz ver) may have a slightly higher theoretical bandwidth, but in real terms rambus has the edge. sdram is on it's last legs, but that doesn't mean it will go down without a fight. – by scott
hmm (9:47am est tue jul 11 2000)
always cheer for the underdog…fah-q intel, the willamette will suck cause its proprietary and the new athlons will beat the pantz off it…
as fer itanium….heh, the k8 should take it to school. amd needs the peoples support, they obviously have the balls and brains to try new things instead of clumsily hanging on to x86
always cheer for the underdog…fah-q intel, the willamette will suck cause its proprietary and the new athlons will beat the pantz off it…
as fer itanium….heh, the k8 should take it to school. amd needs the peoples support, they obviously have the balls and brains to try new things instead of clumsily hanging on to x86
go amd!!! (athlonz rule!!!)
a.larrison is a tool…intel and their big brother
tactix should burn and die. any quasi-monopoly like intel and microsquash should be obliterated… – by gabriel
tactix should burn and die. any quasi-monopoly like intel and microsquash should be obliterated… – by gabriel
whoever wrote this is a prat.
the thunderbird 1ghz is equal to the coppermine 1ghz (slightly less actualy). so how the hell is the chip gonna beat the p4? also the k8 sledgehammer is all on paper. nobody has seen it!
the thunderbird 1ghz is equal to the coppermine 1ghz (slightly less actualy). so how the hell is the chip gonna beat the p4? also the k8 sledgehammer is all on paper. nobody has seen it!
and if ya want the evidence to support my thunderturd arguement go to www.themeter.com
amd's spy has now left intel, there for amd cant steal no more of intel's innoative technology. amd will fall
also intel is not a “quasi-monopoly” in my opinion.
your just jelleus your not making the fastest cpu's and making lots of money.
– by prat killer
forget the processor let's get the rest of the hardware running!! (10:24am est tue jul 11 2000)
on all reality, it does not matter if your processor is running at a terahertz. when you can't see a difference in a 500mhz processor compared to a 1ghz processor why spend the money. i am tired of the marketing crap that these companies are into. people in general need to know that the rest of the hardware in their system cannot run at the wow, cool outrageous speeds of these processors. common lets concentrate ion the damn hardware and get it up to speed so that we can see the damn 650 and over mhz proceesor work. yes i am gui fan. – by joblander
on all reality, it does not matter if your processor is running at a terahertz. when you can't see a difference in a 500mhz processor compared to a 1ghz processor why spend the money. i am tired of the marketing crap that these companies are into. people in general need to know that the rest of the hardware in their system cannot run at the wow, cool outrageous speeds of these processors. common lets concentrate ion the damn hardware and get it up to speed so that we can see the damn 650 and over mhz proceesor work. yes i am gui fan. – by joblander
talking about stealing prat killer (11:57am est tue jul 11 2000)
if i rememeber correctly, an i do cause the once “alpha processor building” is right up the street from my house. the building now is owned by intel because it was part of there settlement from stealing their pentium pro technology from digital. i will agree that digital was dying (watched the communities around me die with it). intel has stolen stuff also, and honestly i think the ppro was the last good chip they made. its time for amd to put some pressure on intel and their marketing crap. and if they have to “borrow” some design concepts and technology from the company who has the money and power to control the industry then so be it. i think amd has helped out the consumer, and its about time someone did. i can't fathom being locked into the wintel industry for to much longer. – by flany
if i rememeber correctly, an i do cause the once “alpha processor building” is right up the street from my house. the building now is owned by intel because it was part of there settlement from stealing their pentium pro technology from digital. i will agree that digital was dying (watched the communities around me die with it). intel has stolen stuff also, and honestly i think the ppro was the last good chip they made. its time for amd to put some pressure on intel and their marketing crap. and if they have to “borrow” some design concepts and technology from the company who has the money and power to control the industry then so be it. i think amd has helped out the consumer, and its about time someone did. i can't fathom being locked into the wintel industry for to much longer. – by flany
talking about stealing prat killer (11:58am est tue jul 11 2000)
if i rememeber correctly, an i do cause the once “alpha processor building” is right up the street from my house. the building now is owned by intel because it was part of there settlement from stealing their pentium pro technology from digital. i will agree that digital was dying (watched the communities around me die with it). intel has stolen stuff also, and honestly i think the ppro was the last good chip they made. its time for amd to put some pressure on intel and their marketing crap. and if they have to “borrow” some design concepts and technology from the company who has the money and power to control the industry then so be it. i think amd has helped out the consumer, and its about time someone did. i can't fathom being locked into the wintel industry for to much longer. – by flany
if i rememeber correctly, an i do cause the once “alpha processor building” is right up the street from my house. the building now is owned by intel because it was part of there settlement from stealing their pentium pro technology from digital. i will agree that digital was dying (watched the communities around me die with it). intel has stolen stuff also, and honestly i think the ppro was the last good chip they made. its time for amd to put some pressure on intel and their marketing crap. and if they have to “borrow” some design concepts and technology from the company who has the money and power to control the industry then so be it. i think amd has helped out the consumer, and its about time someone did. i can't fathom being locked into the wintel industry for to much longer. – by flany
intel is the only victim (1:29pm est tue jul 11 2000)
job –
job –
i know all about computers and why the cpu is the only real fast thing in modern home pc's
for instance agp only works at 66mhz (unless you o/c it) and can only send 1024mb/s.
anyway, you can see the difference. because these cpu's can send data faster throught the platform and the memory. intel cpu are also the fastest at sending data to the pci and agp ports. a 500mhz will run slower, will reduce productivity and will run graphics slowet then a 1ghz. you abviously havent been to many benchmark sites. anyway, whats the point of a 1ghz chip then???
duh!
flany –
anyway.
anyway.
i dont think intel have stolen anything that they have imported into there latest cpu offerings. i agree that amd's competition will give intel some rage to fight back providing us with much better chips. and the ppro was not the last good chip that intel made. the pii and piii were the best chips on the market untill the athlon showed up. yes they beat the k6 series of amd's “budget series”, hey, even celeron a's can outperform these if put with an excellent platform. then intel managed to counter and win back (just, its quite close) the performance crown with the coppermine. you mean you would rather have a ppro then a coppermine 1ghz?
heh.
what stuff do you think intel stole anyway?
heres what amd stole
a lot misc sensitive information
mmx technology (they were sued about this)
sse technology (athlon has partial support for this)
some ibm copper technology (to go with motorola's)
– by dude (aka prat ki)
mmx technology (they were sued about this)
sse technology (athlon has partial support for this)
some ibm copper technology (to go with motorola's)
– by dude (aka prat ki)
power or speed????????? (4:20pm est tue jul 11 2000)
what are we comparing simple speed. i mean yes it may open word or photoshop faster then a ppro. i never have had the stability with my p3's that i had with my ppro. i used to have like 6-7 high end (photoshop, frontpage, word, etc….)apps open at once when i had my pro. now my p3 boggs down with 3 or so apps. i'm not saying i would rather run a ppro now, just saying that intel hasn't impressed me in along time. my servers in my company still run dual ppro's w/512k cause of the ability to handle higher workloads better. and i'm not sure where i read it, but i do recall an article that stated that these great p2's and 3's are still based on the technology of the ppro (the last good chip).
what are we comparing simple speed. i mean yes it may open word or photoshop faster then a ppro. i never have had the stability with my p3's that i had with my ppro. i used to have like 6-7 high end (photoshop, frontpage, word, etc….)apps open at once when i had my pro. now my p3 boggs down with 3 or so apps. i'm not saying i would rather run a ppro now, just saying that intel hasn't impressed me in along time. my servers in my company still run dual ppro's w/512k cause of the ability to handle higher workloads better. and i'm not sure where i read it, but i do recall an article that stated that these great p2's and 3's are still based on the technology of the ppro (the last good chip).
go here for the info about digital and intel
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/news1/ns-1847.html – by flany
err….. (1:25pm est wed jul 12 2000)
thats you memory, the less memory you got the less apps you can have open. with my p3 i can run nearly 20 different applications. including heavy rendering applications. plus the p3 has 512k – by dude
thats you memory, the less memory you got the less apps you can have open. with my p3 i can run nearly 20 different applications. including heavy rendering applications. plus the p3 has 512k – by dude
why pentium iii uses escalation marks….. (4:49pm est wed jul 12 2000)
as i heard (might be a rumor ??)
as i heard (might be a rumor ??)
the original three “i”s on intel's pentium iii logo was actually someone else's mark. so intel changed that to three escalation marks… – by david
better platform, better pc (12:22am est thu jul 13 2000)
the whole point behind the pentium 4 (or current pentium iii) is that the whole platform is better. the chip is running everything, but you need faster connections to memory, graphics and i/o devices. that's where intel rules. they are getting 'proprietary' like andrew k. above claims, but dragging everyone else along to the new technologies. who was the first to support usb(in 1997) and agp(in 1998)? intel, of course. in a year or two, everyone will be using rdram and you'll all be laughing at anyone still using anything less(like those slugs still using pci graphics cards now…) – by j. ross
the whole point behind the pentium 4 (or current pentium iii) is that the whole platform is better. the chip is running everything, but you need faster connections to memory, graphics and i/o devices. that's where intel rules. they are getting 'proprietary' like andrew k. above claims, but dragging everyone else along to the new technologies. who was the first to support usb(in 1997) and agp(in 1998)? intel, of course. in a year or two, everyone will be using rdram and you'll all be laughing at anyone still using anything less(like those slugs still using pci graphics cards now…) – by j. ross
pentium => sexium? (8:37am est thu jul 13 2000)
the pentium moniker was meant to replace the 80586 name, after a ruling by the us patent and trademark office that a number could not be trademarked.
the pentium moniker was meant to replace the 80586 name, after a ruling by the us patent and trademark office that a number could not be trademarked.
if 586=pentium, isn't it time for a 686=sexium? now that's a marketing department's dream. – by j. squire
pentium => sexium (6:19am est fri jul 14 2000)
hehe……sexium – by dude
hehe……sexium – by dude
pentium iv (10:35am est fri jul 14 2000)
to settle the score once and for all, the piv will crush any amd thunderbird chips, even when amd hit 1.5ghz. why? because intel are going to do what amd did to them with the athlon, intel have come up with something totally new.
here are some specs of the two chips:
to settle the score once and for all, the piv will crush any amd thunderbird chips, even when amd hit 1.5ghz. why? because intel are going to do what amd did to them with the athlon, intel have come up with something totally new.
here are some specs of the two chips:
processor amd thunderbird pentium iv
speed 700-1000+mhz 1400mhz start
bus speed 200mhz 400mhz
bus notes 100mhz ddr 100mhz qdr
bus prot. ev6 ?
bus band/w 1.6gb/s 3.2gb/s
l2 cache size 256kb 256kb
l2 cache type atc atc
l2 width 64bit 128bit
alu speed core 2x core
fpu 64bit 128bit
instructions mmx, 3d now mmx, sse, sse2
chipset amd 760 intel tahama
ram 100mhz sdram 800+mhz rdram
or 100mhz ddr sdram
memory band/w 0.8gb/s 1.6+gb/s
or 1.6gb/s
agp speed agp x4 may be pro agp x4 pro and
with ddr sdram dbl agp x4
est winbench
cpu score at
1.4ghz 40+ 50
performance ~4.5gflops ~5.6gflops
speed 700-1000+mhz 1400mhz start
bus speed 200mhz 400mhz
bus notes 100mhz ddr 100mhz qdr
bus prot. ev6 ?
bus band/w 1.6gb/s 3.2gb/s
l2 cache size 256kb 256kb
l2 cache type atc atc
l2 width 64bit 128bit
alu speed core 2x core
fpu 64bit 128bit
instructions mmx, 3d now mmx, sse, sse2
chipset amd 760 intel tahama
ram 100mhz sdram 800+mhz rdram
or 100mhz ddr sdram
memory band/w 0.8gb/s 1.6+gb/s
or 1.6gb/s
agp speed agp x4 may be pro agp x4 pro and
with ddr sdram dbl agp x4
est winbench
cpu score at
1.4ghz 40+ 50
performance ~4.5gflops ~5.6gflops
so as i said, even at 1.5ghz the piv will cruch the thunderbird, but don't get me wrong the thunderbird is still a blinding chip. i can say that i am going to wait for the piv. – by scott
sledgehammer(11:00pm est wed jul 26 2000) i think people will choose the sledgehammer over p4 because is will do 32-bit apps insanely fast and will always remain less expensive. it's a better tactic than relying on marketing and huge figures. amd re-invents, improves and stays affordable. sledgehammer will most likely be available within the next year, and have 4-way chipsets (2-way guaranteed). they were smart using ev6 because it is scalable to 400mhz. (thank god they thought ahead in that area.) running 32-bits apps insanely fast which the k8 will do well, as well as staying at a consumer friendly price bracket is all most people want. these people are not like any of us who settle for nothing less than the best. for these reasons i feel intel will suffer greatly in comparison to if amd didn't have such a serious contender in the ring. amd has made a nice sized ding in the computer industry and they deffinatley show no desire of slowing down. sledgehammer will arrive shortly and will absolutely marvel the industry. when more apps are programmed 64-bit and you can really feel the performance difference between sledgehammer and p4 and it's still worth the price difference, more people will likely bend towards the p4. i can just see the sledgehammer being advertised with twice as much sdram for the same price of half the amount of ddr.but if you also look at how fast amd is improving considering what they are in comparison to intel it really makes you wonder what would happen if amd was as powerful and wealthy as intel? 64bit prgrams won't be that prevalent anyway until 2002 or 2003. – by sticky |
itanium(2:57am est thu jul 27 2000) the p4 is not susposed to compete with the sh. its the itaniums job to smoke that! – by sticka |
g4 processors(1:30pm est sat aug 26 2000) i don't care if you think pentium is better than amd or if amd is better than pentium, because the g4 processor beats them both. g4 starts at 1.6 ghz and can go up to 2.5 ghz. so the g4 rules. – by andrew |
lets get rid of those old and slow p3s(6:42pm est tue aug 29 2000) i visited a computer store today. the salesman tried to convince to get rid of my slow old computer ( a piii 450 ) and buy a p4 instead. i asked why he thaught so, he answered “than you can play quake 3 with a higher fps….” i may be a computer geek….but comeone…who is buying a computer at those speeds just to be able to play games? – by the lamer |
g4 blows(4:20am est thu aug 31 2000) 500mhz max and the itanium 64-bit will smoke its 32-bit specint performance, which is what makes it good for graphics. – by g4 blows |
sad day for macs(10:36pm est tue sep 05 2000) i remember when i bought my mac power macintosh g3. back in early '99. back when it was the 500mhz g3 against the 500mhz pentium. then it was the 450 (they had to downclock them!) against the 600mhz piii, then the 800mhz piii then the ghz piii. now its the 1.3ghz piii against the dual processor 500mhz g4 running os9 which has no symetric processing capabilities. and altivec, no one is using altivec! that thing that makes the g4 three times fast no one is using it! why must you torture me damn you? use it! – by homey f. |
???(2:05am est mon sep 11 2000) wait for quantum chips… no lag…just instant go he.he.he not for many years….but just wait – by petroag |
p4 it´s the best of the best(12:28am est wed oct 04 2000) i hear about pentium 4 have a 400 bus and the prosesor more slower are by the 800 mhz and more fastest are in 4 ghz thas all – by puto el que lo lea |
puto el que lo lea(12:40am est wed oct 04 2000) todos ustedes son una bola de pendejos que no sabe ni que chingada madre decir masque chingar al p4 y decir que otras pendejadas como las amd son mejor y la neta es que no solo le tienen una pinche invidia bien cabropna al p4 bola de pendejos pero ya los quisiera ver con una de esas enfreta jajajaja – by el puto que te violo |
piv being released on november 29!!!!!!!!!!!!(4:14pm est fri oct 13 2000) i hear from my buddy at intel that the p4 at 1.4 ghz will be released sometime near november 29 give or take a few weeks. it will only be available to places like local merchants and not big places like future shop. woooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! – by kami-sama |
pentium is better(10:05am est sat oct 21 2000) ya ya amd is cheaper than the pentium. well if your looking for price than amd is the way to go but i like quality and am willing to pay more for a faster system and thats all there is to it – by coolspin |
p4 vs k7=amd!(4:22am est sun oct 29 2000) umm guys..i just saw some benchmarks..funny the only time the p4 beat the amd chips wuz in q3..and that wuz only by 20 or so fps..soo all in all..the amd chip still kicked the crap out of your p4! in all the bench marks..haha looks like that 400mhz bus is useless..lol..way 2 go amd! more “true” p4 benches. this test compares a 1.4ghz p4 to a 1.1ghz tbird. very interesting results, the tbird pulls ahead in most tests. business winstone 99 1.2 thunderbird: 34.8 pentium 4: 30.5 sysmark 2000 thunderbird: 206 pentium 4: 180 business graphics 99 thunderbird: 513 pentium 4: 337 he graph.99 thunderbird: 1406 pentium 4: 964 3d wb 2000 thunderbird: 107 pentium 4: 115 3d mark 2000 thunderbird: 5764 pentium 4: 6285 quake 3 high quality thunderbird: 90.9 pentium 4: 92.6 quake 3 normal thunderbird: 148.9 pentium 4: 194.8 bus. disk99 thunderbird: 6450 pentium 4: 6750 he disk 99 thunderbird: 22300 pentium 4: 21400 cpu mark 32 thunderbird: 97 pentium 4: 84 fpu thunderbird: 6010 pentium 4: 4790 nuff said..your p4 chip failed..bye bye. also get this…seems intl knows its chip is shit… hardware site 2cpu, which a few days ago published a set of pentium 4 benchmarks, is reporting that pressure from intel has forced it to pull them from its site. *********************************************** dear 2cpu.com, i am writing to you, on behalf of intel, to request that you please immediately remove from your website all intel confidential information, including photographs and performance data, regarding the pentium 4 processor known as “willamette”…. blah, blah… yadda, yadda… sincerely yours, mr. attorney man intel corporation sorry guys (and gals), it must've been hitting a bit too close to home. ****************** – by sirpimp |
p4 & itanium(5:07pm est mon oct 30 2000) heres the skinny on how life after the p4 and itannium is gonna suck… the itannium is a 64 bit chip with parallel instructions, like the motorola altivec, capable of producing 2 flops per cycle at 32bit 4 flops at 64bit, or in idiots terms it can compute 2 math caculations per tick(1mhz=1million ticks) at 32 bit or 4 at 64, currently windows nt & 2000 pro-data server are the only thing to support the 64-bit ppro instructions, and it isnt throughout the os, every piece of software is going to have to be compiled now to take advantage of, 32 bit instruction x86 chips, mmx,3dnow,parrallel tasking, mmx and 3dnow are no big deal but 64bit parrallel tasking is going to take a complete re-compile/construction of the software – by the king of fa |
intel will conquer amd(3:24pm est sat nov 04 2000) first of all, rdram performs 133% times better than sdram and that is a fact. the only reason you guys are dissing rdram is because you cannot afford it. second of all, intel will definitely kill amd, just like they forced cybex out of the processing market. amd simply does not know what they are doing. as for pentium 4 being an unoriginal name, k6, k7, and k8 are the corniest names i have ever heard. amd just make cheap, slap-it-together processors and thats why they have to use stupid names like athlon or thunderbird. (thunderbird sounds like a kind of car to me.) although intel's 8088, 80286, 80386, and 80486 processors were not the most intelligent names, they contributed much more than amd did. i mean, the 8088 is what started dos! – by fart |
so(11:24am est sun nov 05 2000) everyone is very dumb – by the wierdo |
p4 vs. amd(5:08am est sat nov 11 2000) yeah i have to agree with the intel people about intel crushing amd …..for the simple fact being intel always been around they know what they are doing..they always used in many pc's before amd's time and better yet who will buy a amd? most people who buy amd's are them people who cant “aford high end cpu's” i been to alot of sites and all i seen people put “amd is better” the only reasons i seen was “the price” fuck the price…i rather spend alot of money on something that been out for ever and thats been used in 98% of the pc world rather then some over hyped “amd chip” that just came back from the stong ages in 1999 so intel came back on amd and kicked it's ass point blank…..for thos who cant aford high end cpu's like “intel” dont diss it for that reason….it only makes you look like oh yeah….do you see amd getting marketed on tv? like intel “intel is side” hmmm most tell you something? right? welp i hope intel keeps doing a great job and soon they will add more support later down the road….cr1m – by cr1m1n4l |
p4 vs amd(5:16am est sat nov 11 2000) i spelled some words wrong….welp i'll redo some what i ment was “intel in side” and amd just came back from the stone ages witch is tru…for them intel fans….just keep buying and see what happens….dont go for a “over hyped amd” that only might cost $299 then when you tell your friends oh yeah i got a amd pc…they will be like “what is a amd” reasing bein..most people use intel…but to tell the truth….intel needs more support other then rdram bus….i figure if they add more support…people can pick what ram they want to buy. but this amd vs. intel battle will go on for years and yeats till someone falls out the market so there is no use on debating….i mean go with the facts..thats all i can say…what chip been around longer? what chip is used the most? who is bigger then who? i bet people didnt even know amd was about to go out of business till they made “althon” now yall know why the chips is cheap. – by cr1m1n4l |
amd tbird is better than intel p4(2:01pm est sun nov 12 2000) first i would like to explain something, in all of the benchmarks that i have seen, a p4 running at 1.5ghz is almost always slower than a 1.2ghz or 1.1ghz amd tbird. plus sometimes the p4 runns slower than a 900mhz tbird. amd made the first 7×86 processor in the athlon, all a p4 is is a 7×86. for all of those people that say coppermine is faster than a tbird you are all dumb asses. a piii coppermine is just about as fast as an amd atlon. tbird kicks all of intel's processors ass'. plus soon amd will come out with the k8 which will kick the c*r*a*p out of the p4. all in all pentium sucks. go buy an amd processor, better performance for less money. – by amdrules |
intel vs. amd(3:13pm est sun nov 12 2000) intel has always been a leader, but their core business is too spread out for them to compete effectively in the long-run unless they start focusing on the small pc chip market. intel makes a variety of excellent products, but my experience leads me to believe that the amd chips are just as good and perhaps even better. and price is a difference, because you can spend that extra $300 dollars and buy yourself a fast 10000 rpm hardrive (incidentally this i have found to be the best upgrade you can make) or a 64 meg video card, or upgrade your new system to scsi, all of which are usefull. if price is not an issue, then buy a sun. – by nick rahaghi |
amd rules intel(5:05pm est sun nov 12 2000) ya, we have heard it all. i have 2 systems 1 p3 800mhz (from ibm) and 1 thunderbird 800mhz (that i built). i cant really tell the difference. they both rock q3, even with a voodoo 3 3000. the only difference : the pentium 3 system cost me about $100 more. not a whole lot for people who pay for this kind of power. they have pretty much the same hardware specs. so what is the god damn difference? you ask. well, the only difference is that the amd system will last me longer. if i take care of the physical hardware (i.e. keep it cool, keep off dust), the amd system will last longer. why? you ask? well, the main reason is that it has a 200mhz fsb, compared to intel's 100 or 133mhz fsb. a god damn 400mhz fsb will do umm… jack shit. most programs dont use that kind of bandwidth. they will, eventually, but i mean 133mhz is sufficient now, then it will be 200mhz then 266mhz. i bet you all the money in the world that you couldnt tell between a 650mhz amd or a 1ghz intel. so, again, you ask, why the @#$$ is that? well, the reason is that programs a bottlenecked (limited by) other things such as memory bandwidth, hard drive (and other ide devices -even scsi) speed. the graphics card takes a load off the processor, your motherboards chipset will help the stability, and so on… so, should you pay for the p4 – or anything intel for that matter? well, no. you aint gonna use that power (as an average user, or entry level server) so dont bother with it. when i build systems for people, i reccomend an 800mhz amd with top quality ram, and a mid-end video card (about $99 for a kick ass voodoo 3). that will ensure kick ass quality and speed. you can get a good tower for about $899 and then a wicked monitor for about $399. wow, you just got your self a good system, that will last quite a while… – by yahoka |
p4 a new generation, oh pallllleeezze!(5:16pm est sun nov 12 2000) well, yes. the p4 can probably outperform a thunderbird, still not by a whole lot. now oyou have to ask yourself, but aint the p4 a new generation that should way outperform the last? nope. the p4 is better than the tb, but what will amd's k8 pack? probably enough to beat the p5… makes you wonder… – by yahoka |
pentium versus amd(2:45pm est mon nov 13 2000) if you want to wast your time checking out bench marks go ahead i happen to have both the amd 1 ghz and pentium 667, 700, 750, 800, 866, and 933. in actual usage the 667 is faster than the amd and the others just widen the gap. the amd cant beat pentium running a 133 mhz bus it won't even see the dust of a p4 with a 400 mhz bus. do some real research on your own it becomes very obvious before you even get the operating system set up completely. besides in the bench mark tests done by unbiased entitys the p!!! 1ghz beat the amd 1 ghz in all categories. – by fact over fiction |
pentiumiii 400mhz bus(11:25pm est mon nov 13 2000) i just ordered apentiumiii with 400mhz bus is this possible or is it a typeo i ordered it from sears its a compaq presario 1000gig with 400mhz system bus? should i send it back or what see for your self at sears . com ps help me out . i got some do and i dont want to get (***&***you know – by winchester301@net z |
pentiumiii 400mhz(11:49pm est mon nov 13 2000) does pentium 111 1000mhz come with a 400mhz system bus? because i just ordered one and want to know if antone knows about it and what is the netburst micro architecture in simple terms / – by winchester301@netzer |
pentium !!! 400mhz(11:44am est tue nov 14 2000) it doesn't come with a 400mhz bus. only 133mhz (or even 100mhz unless you didn't order the eb). and no, it doesn't have netburst, that is new architecture. you idiot, you shouldn't order something unless you know everything about what you are buying. – by yahoka |
pentium111 400mhz(11:37am est wed nov 15 2000) yahoka i may not know asmuch about computers as you but im not an idiot so chill out douchbag i came to this fourm to learn from you experts not to be insulted now back to buis whats an eb – by jt |
p 4(11:43am est wed nov 15 2000) any one know how much the p4 cpu will cost in asystem like the hp or compaq – by j t |
p4 cost(7:16pm est wed nov 15 2000) the p4 should debut at about $1100 us. however, there won't be any compatable devices for consumers for a month or two (i.e. motherboard chipsets!). systems from big companies are supposed to start at $2499us, but i would guess more like $2799us and up. really, i would get an amd system because it is above the pentium 3 and just below the pentium 4, and about the same price as a pentium 3. – by yahoka |
excuse me jt…(7:30pm est wed nov 15 2000) sorry if i was rude. it's just that you shouldn't order computer components on-line unless you know %100 absolutely everything about them. instead go and talk to a salesman at a local store, and they will make sure you help to get the right components, and answer any questions. anyhow, the eb is a 133mhz fsb, but the e is a 100mhz fsb. simple as that! – by yahoka |
p4 sux (sort of)(11:20pm est wed nov 15 2000) i don't know if this is just from a gamer's point of view, but a p4 is not a piece of shit it's just that the new thunderbirds are better. they not only cost less, but they have a better cache hit. sure the p4 is supposed to be all that, but it's struggling against the tbird what about the stuff coming out successor to teh tbird. that's what the p4 has to worry about. ps a network administrator told me “…the pentium 4 is dead…” – by terrorist32984790283 |
pentium 4 processors(9:43pm est sat nov 18 2000) the all new pentium 4 processor should be on its way before christmas. it will be available at speeds up to 1.5 gigz until 2001 when they will boost it up to a max of 2.4 gigz. after that the following xmas pentium 5 will come out and perform at speeds up to 4 gigz and that will be the end of the pentiums. so if i were you i would save up a lot of money and purchace a pentium 5 and use most of your money to but some sweet software and hardware into it. – by intel rep. |
hsn has p4(2:17am est tue nov 21 2000) hsn of all places just announced the first p4 computer last night 11-20-00. – by lois |
processor help!(9:13pm est sat nov 25 2000) on the amd thunderbirds, is the fsb at 200mhz, or 100mhz ddr? – by need help |
p4: rushed product(2:01pm est mon nov 27 2000) intel made a mistake just by rushing this damn thing. the only reason they released it now was to take back the title of “highest ghz processor on market.” great. but, here's the price: rdram is a lot faster,and a lot more expensive, because up until now,no computer could really utilize it effectively.this caused memory manufacturers to shy away from producing it,which jacked up the price on what was out there. however,now there is actually a computer out there that can use rdram and actually get results that are worth the effort and money. great. however… now intel is subsidizing the user of rdram in oem computers, paying dell and gateway irc $75 per comp that's shipped with rdram. they're trying to create a bigger market for it, hopefully get some mem manufacturers attention, increase production, and drop the price. you can compare the prices and already see a significant decrease in rdram memory, while it still remains expensive. – by mistamista |
p4: rushed product continued(2:02pm est mon nov 27 2000) to make matters even more difficult for intel, they're already describing how in a couple of months they're going to actually make the new p4 smaller and less power hungry. great, but it's going to take a different motherboard slot. which means that,if i'm going to buy the current p4 systems and possibly upgrade the cpu,i'm going to have to go ahead and buy a new motherboard,too. and i bet these new, smaller chips are just around the corner. which means that noone in there right mind is going to want to create or distribute motherboards or chipsets for the current p4. which means that building them is going to be expensive and pain in the ass for a time. so, p4 and rdram i think could very well rival amd, and very well be worth more money to users that want more power. however, the way these products have been marketed is extremely ridiculous. by being “kind of the ghz hill”, intel has given itself an uphill battle. i think most educated people are going to realize that these current p4 systems are probably going to be the fastest depreciating, obsolete machines in a long time, and hardest and most expensive to upgrade. i know that i am shying away from buying it now, even though i really want a new machine. i'm definately not buying the p4 until it comes out with the new slot, and, when that happens, who knows what will be going on then with amd and intel? – by mistamista |
pentium 4's(9:47am est thu nov 30 2000) hi, i just wanna say that my pentium 2, 333mhz still owns. its a whole lot better and faster. – by matt branner |
pentium 4's(9:47am est thu nov 30 2000) hi, i just wanna say that my pentium 2, 333mhz still owns. its a whole lot better and faster. – by matt brenner |
ha!(9:44pm est sat dec 02 2000) that is the dumbest thing i hav ever herd! – by matt is dumb |
g4s rule(3:55pm est thu dec 07 2000) listen the g4 still blows the p3 and p4 out of the water. people say that the p4 is a faster gamer. what games honestly need 1500mghz to run with any notacible performance increase. i say if you have a pc with a p3 buy a voodo 5 and save the money. – by nerds suck |
where is the fact jack???(1:01pm est thu dec 14 2000) what is this crap fellas? up until this time last year, amd has been a huge joke. i heard all of this bs about the k6-2 outperforming the pii's and cached celerons. well, finally, amd takes a leap and jumps intels processors for a year and now they take the title back. where are the g#d d#mn benchmarks? i want to see this stuff. i have already turned the majority of my thunderbirds in to back scratchers because the frame rate on my games are comprable if not less than my 2 coppermines. i would just rather go with a reliable chip if you know what i mean. i want to see the benchmarks from the p4's and the thunderbirds and know for sure that it is not worth the cash. i am game, and am very open minded, but am very sick of the amd taking the crown for a kingdom they don't rule. – by bandwidth guru |
p4's?(7:02pm est thu dec 14 2000) i am still using an amd-k6 300 i really have no need for a p3 or p4. besides if i wanted pure speed i would switch to linux and build a 5 motherboard watercooled and air-cooled monstrous beowulf system running at 12.5 ghz with over a gig of ram. (when intel builds a processor that can beat a beowulf i will be suprised- the beowulf can use intels processor to beat it- laughs at the slow one processor systems) where i am i think i would rather have a high speed internet connectiob than a p4 though. – by aaron |
p4 vs. piii vs. tb (10:00pm est thu jan 11 2001) i am 14 years old and have been saving up and bought nothing over the past year. i have about $1600 and my parents are going to help me out with a computer. i can't decide whether to get a p4 1.3 ghz with 256 mb of rdram, a piii 1 ghz with 512 of sd, or a 1.2 ghz thunderbird. i know your thinking what the f*** is a teenager going to do with a computer that fast. well my parents are going to be using it too, but i want a system that will last me a good 3 years. i will be doing a lot of intense 3d online gaming, and may build a website with my friend. my parents our dumbasses who have never owned a pc in their life. right now i am typing on a 400 mhz g3 power book (which is pretty fast and expensive, but lacks what i need…. windows). i have been pricing things at dell, but am going to go with a local company to save money. the computer might have stuff like one of those processors, the ram, a 64 mb nvidia 2, dvd, the works. trust me i have done my research. i know about the tests that the p4 runs q3 beatifully, but loses all the other tests. so i'm asking anyone out there with an opinion. please help me select a processor and soon. thanks – by clayboy |
re: clayboy(3:52pm est wed jan 17 2001) if you only have about 1600$ i would get a thunderbrid and all the ram you can get,there is very littel dif,get a good 3d card and a good hard disk ,if you wait for a few more month when the p4 become more acessible the thunderbrid will drop in price and then you'l rock!! – by knight395 |
thunderbird huh?(11:55am est thu jan 18 2001) thanks knight395. anyone else?? – by clayboy |
re:clayboy(11:52pm est mon jan 22 2001) imo: optimize your memory and you'll get better performance for less $$$. faster memory bus, more ram, more l2 cache. in other words, build a good foundation for your cpu to work from. (then you can upgrade the cpu in two years when they're cheap, and still have a decent box.) ————-- -bah! screw this x86 crap! get an ultrasparciii! – by l337 ll@|/|@ |
more ram, cool(5:20am est thu feb 01 2001) thanks 1337? keep it comin! – by clayboy |
speed sucks, stability kicks ass(10:06am est fri feb 02 2001) i have to agree with jimmy p. up there. i had a clock doubled 486 dx-2 66mhz running at 50mhz with my (yes, its true) 25mhz bus speed and 30-pin (oh yeah!) 32mb of simm dram (not sdram). i had dos 6.22/win 3.1 and had zero program errors. i upgraded to win 95 (can't run 98- req. 66 mhz) and still had zero program errors. finally, i got some $$ and upgraded to k6-2 450mhz with 192mb of sdram overclocked to 517mhz. i have all kinds of errors and crashes with the same win 95 and now win 98 se (note: this was before i overclocked, so errors not caused by overclock!). my friend's celron 700mhz with win me has errors all the time. i am in the process of rebuilding that 50 mhz so i can actually have a stable computer to use for things that are important (like a server). every new computer i have seen has had at least 1 error every week, sometimes even more. these new computers can't be left on all the time without something going on. i could leave my 50mhz on all day and come back to a computer that is ready to run some heavy loads. newer computers need to be rebooted every now and then to keep performance high. only new computers i have never seen crash — macs. intel and amd and all other companies need to take more time developing new processors that can actually take a beating and still work, instead of trying to be the 'fastest' (only in terms of clock speed). – by the great ë| §öñ†ø |
more speed issues(10:15am est fri feb 02 2001) another thing i forgot. my old manager at a leading electronics store (most expensive place, c'mon you know where i'm talking about, big red r) reminded me of something that will slow down a fast computer. you may have a 400mhz bus and ram that can almost match that, but there is a very large hurdle that slows everything down. that thing is called the hard drive. if you are going to have a fast computer, you absolutly need something like a raid or scsi hard drive. – by the great ë| §öñ†ø |
p4 will rule in some time(9:07pm est fri feb 02 2001) ok guys you need to calm down a bit with the intel hate. p4 does go slower in apps and benchmarks, but thats cause most dont take advantage of the scsi i40x 32lt endoplasmic reticulum nuetron core! (hey just joking, its just that you guys are getting too technical and need a break). truth is p4 is better than athlon -1.5ghz to 1.2ghz (3ghz better, for the mathematically challenged) -400mhz bus to 250mhz (better) -longer pipeline (better) -rambus, yes thats right i said it, rdram is better, better! -just look at the facts and then flame me, but you'll know that i'm right and your wrong! peace – by caleb |
i'm a woman and i'm dumb lol (7:36am est sat feb 03 2001) i am looking to buy a computer. i read all your posts. it appears that amd (thunderbird, etc) & intel are the top picks. cost is not an issue. what is the absolute best? as far as stability goes and how much memory is too much? honestly? this computer is for my husband who is studying to be a network engineer.(needs to install heavy duty programs such as fox pro, etc.) i talked to someone, and they said they'd sell me this: 19 inch monitor, pentium iii 1ghz, 512mb, 90 gig (plus a 19 inch monitor) for 1,660.00 is this too much? will the overbundance of 90 gig/512mb slow down the system? (this also includes win. 98 and windows 2000 professional program) need help!!!!!! don't want to be caught in a trap if pentium 4 is a gimmick. feel welcome to e-mail me privately at: [email protected] or just post on this. i will check on daily basis. – by julie |
computer price(8:11am est sat feb 03 2001) that price is about right, but it could probably be found at lower cost from some other place. if that place you found offers customer support with people that actually know stuff about computers, rather than telemarketers that only know what comes up on their screen, then that's a good, solid deal. if cost isn't an issue, you should try to get one of these higher end 1.2-1.5 ghz (or about 1200-1500 mhz), but you will find differing opinions at this place. that is good though, because everyone is trying to attack each other with useful ratings. what you need to do is find a non-biased person that will find out what you are using the computer for that can more accuratly determine your needs, but try to stay in the higher end machines. and to 'caleb': that is a 0.3 ghz (or 300 mhz) difference, not a 3 ghz difference. if the amd was 1.2 ghz and the p4 was 3 ghz faster, it would be 3.2 ghz, but it isn't. – by that other dude }:-> |
uhh, wait a minute(8:29am est sat feb 03 2001) okay everyone, i am not the quickest. i missed where you said you need to use some heavy duty programs. if you are going to use some big, memory hungry programs, then you need to get a lot of ram. my computer (450 mhz/256 mb ram/3.2 gb hd) can beat out my school's p3 computers by a long shot because they only have 64 mb of ram. ram is a hell of a lot faster than a hard drive is. the more ram you have, the less your memory gobbling program has to access the hard drive. that speeds stuff up a lot. if you get the fastest processor available with a motherboard with 4 dimm slots, and load them with 256 mb dimms, then you can have 1024 mb of ram, or 1 gb of ram. (1 gb = 1024 mb, 1 mb = 1024 kb, etc.) more ram = faster computer. if you buy a p3 1 ghz, buy the pc-133 memory instead of pc-100 (like mine) for the added edge of speed. don't buy the rambus memory for anything not optimized for it. – by •that one dude there |
aaaagh!(11:30pm est sat feb 03 2001) sorry, your right about that .3ghz it is. *g* i relly feel stupid now. but still you knew what i meant. pthluagh! oh and julie, the computer you said is fine, and ok priced, and whatever you do, dont worry about over abundance of ram, never, like thatonedude said more ram=faster pc. hard drive, 90gig doesn't exist or i hav never heard of this, it would have to be two hard drives together (45gig=45gig). – by caleb |
what to get julie(6:34am est sun feb 04 2001) julie, that looks like a decent comp and has a decent amt of ram. p3's will support up to 784mb of ram no matter which type it is. i dunno any type of network engineer who needs fox pro to become one unless hes gonna be a database admin, but whatever. this 90gb of hard drive space your lookin to buy with it. questions you should ask are what is the hard drive set up. sorta like what caleb said whats the configuration of it. is it in 4 different drives, is it 2 drives and so on. a key factor for me if i was buying it (which i wouldnt cuz i build always) is is it a ide drive config or a scsi. scsi will flow information alot faster than any ide will. what i mean by that is the more your drives fill up will determine how fast they access will be the ram and the type of drives you have. if they are scsi most likely you wont see much latency or lag through the access speed, but if they are ide or something like that the more you fill them up the slower they get. ultimately you make the final decision on what to get, this looks like a decent price if thats what your asking. how well it will perform will depend on the conofig of it. if its a private sale, another words not from a business or someone accountable where you cant return it, make sure you can test many things before you habd over your 1660 bux. like for instance make sure all drives dont have any bad sectors on them, make sure the video works in all modes and that the sound is crisp and clear at all levels. make sure the monitor will display in all resolutions with no lines or defects in it. finally look inside the box and see if its been kept up and virtually dust free. dust causes static and static causes electric sparks especially in the cold weather. 1 spark to the motherboard or any of the components can cause that part to not function properly or not function at all. cybs out – by cybs |
pentium vs intel(6:36am est sun feb 04 2001) finally to address those of you that think amd is better than intel. i consider amd to be a no frills brand version of intel kinda like in the grocery store where you got premium brand that always tastes good and the no frills brands where you may actually acquire a taste for it. you can quote all the ads you want from all the reviews that you want. who do you think pays for those ads, think they are done for free? on both sides of this you cant sway doing the actual test for yourself because those reviewers are bought so stop quoting specs unless you have done them yourself like fact over fiction did. his review is about the only review that i'll beleive since he did the test himself. by far intel has overcome many competitors like cyrix, all the mac processors, and now amd. im sure there are more waiting in the winds, but the proven fact is that intel is the originator and will always be 1 or more steps ahead of the pack because they have a reputation for being the best i dont think they would do anything to damage that. ill be looking to build my 7th intel machine this summer. i have never bought anything other than intel and therfore have never sacrificed quality for price. if intel has gone proprietary to rdramm then so be it. i trust their judgement and will look for those components when i build this summer. for all of you that go the amd way, thats your choice and can understand that price can be a reason to go the cheap road but consider this, if a salesman came up to you and said i have this rolex watch for $900 bucks and a rolly watch for 600 bucks, knowing what you currently know about watches which one would you get if you had the money for both. i leave you with what you'll say sarcasmically and what you would actually do, cuz you know some smarta$$ will say the rolly watch. cybs out – by cybs |
pentium vs amd(6:49am est sun feb 04 2001) thats what the above lead shoulda read. my bad :) – by cybs |
pentium(9:21pm est tue feb 06 2001) for the home user, what kind of computer you would need to run high end games,d.v.d., and a complex data program or opperate program like windows? e-mail [email protected] and the cost $$$ under 1000.00 $$$ canadian… – by rob |
rimms – rambus ram(11:47pm est sat feb 10 2001) the price of rimms (like simm dimm) or rambus ram has come down drastically. intel's oems are even shipping the 3 sticks of rimms with the processor! the bandwidth for all of you who don't know is 3.2 gigabytes/s. much faster than any ddr or sdram on the market. besides intel requires that blazing speed because of the 400 mhz fsb. – by intel rulez forever |
itanium, mckinley, foster(11:51pm est sat feb 10 2001) the itanium, mckinley, and foster are intel's new ia64 based server/workstation chips. they are ment to compete with amd's sleezy sledgehammer(ia32). the sledehammer is still running x86 technology. while intel is upgrading to ia64. the itanium is not supposed to compete with the athlon, but it will kick it's ass none the less. by the way itanium will run 4mb of l3 cache. yes that is right l3, not l2. – by intel rulez forever |
benchmarkers aren't optimised for the p4(11:56pm est sat feb 10 2001) the current benchmarkers are not bench marked for the pentium 4. they don't incorporate the new 144 multimedia extientions of sse2. yes that is right 144 for sse2. and they don't take full use of the p4's new net burst archetecture. – by intel rulez forever |
energy usage on amd – t-bird(12:14am est sun feb 11 2001) did you know that the t-bird ins't physically capable to go above the 1.2 ghz mark? it is because it uses up so much energy. the power out put for the t-bird. anything amd will get you in the long run. you will spend more on energy costs than the processor itself in a matter of months. – by intel rulez forever |
over clocking(1:20am est sun feb 11 2001) it is very hard for a person to overclock an amd 1.2ghz t-bird. the reason is simply because, as read in my last comment, that the t-bird is physically incapable. it will melt before your eyes. you will need extensve water cooling. not regular cooling but water cooling. i am an a+ certified computer techie and i have seen many burned, trashed, and melted t-bird and durons for that matter. i do admit that overclocking is very common is amd systems. the reason is simply because amd chips are cheap and they will not cost that much to replace once ruined. i might also add that t-birds will have a shortened life span compared to a pentium iii equally overclocked. so if you do overclock, overclock a piii or a p4. not a t-bird. the t-bird will burn if it goes above 1.2ghz without extensive cooling. that is why you will not see a 1.2+ t-bird for a very long time. – by intel rulez forever |
intel rulez forever(1:31am est sun feb 11 2001) i am an intel fanatic as you can tell by my name and this title. but for all of the previous comments i made are all true. they contain nothing but true information. i am a certified a+ techie and i know what i am talking about, like everyone else doesn't. j/k :-). intel's products are pure quality. it is like buying a powercell battery against a duracell battery when thinking about buying an intel chip vs and amd chip. the people who buy amd want cheap low quality crap. so let them be. intel is the real quality. i admit that intel faultered a lot in the past, but the p4 and itanium are no mistake. they will wipe the floor with the t-bird and sledgehammer. -(by the way sledgehammer is going backwards with old x86 technology)- using history as a guide intel has done it more than once and they will do it again. intel knows what it is doing and it will be the speed king of the computer world. – by intel rulez forever |
to intel rulez forever(11:33pm est sun feb 11 2001) i agree with you totally, but i now find myself in a very tight shituation, i have a pii 266 and need to upgrade very badly, i must have new computer now. i hate to buy at the moment because all the current chips are inbetween, it seems as though if i buy a p4 it wont run that great because apps and games aren't optimized for it but by the time they are itanium will come along, i was considering athlon t-bird, but after what you wrote i just dont know, either way i am getting a new pc by late march/early april. can you give me some advice on what to get, and dont just say p4 rulez cause i am serious. i hate this shituation because it happens that i must have a new pc right when a first gen cpu comes out (p4), i mean, anything can come around next, and i am crazy bout having the latest and best technology so that it lasts me longer. nothing worse than buying new and expensive hardware and finding yourself in the dust half a year later. you seem like a real smart guy, maybe you can help. – by caleb |
gee no one cares!(6:12pm est sat feb 17 2001) someone please answer me! even if your not “intel rulez fo ever”! obviously hes too good for me hugh, well thats ok, hell know not to come to me when he needs help…sniff,sniff – by caleb |
holy shit!!!!(8:41pm est sun mar 04 2001) what did everyone die or something?!?!? – by caleb |
to caleb(6:47pm est sun mar 11 2001) you should get a p4 with a geforce 3 128-258mb of pc800 rdram, get a 1.4 or 1.5 ghz cpu…. just do it cuz there aint nothin better out today……. one thing …. be aware that if u by a first wave p4(1.3 1.4 1.5 ghz) then u probably wont b able to upgrade your board with a new p4 in the future because the second wave is probably going to have a different amount of pins on the cpu – by clayboy |
thankyou!!!!(7:44pm est tue mar 13 2001) finally, well sounds like good advice, but would you possibly know when the next gen p4s come out? thanx alot – by caleb |
intel vs amd(9:00pm est mon mar 26 2001) maybe im just wasting time even posting this but… after many benchmarks ive seen at different sites it all comes down to what you wanna do with your system and price if u can afford it and are going to play games with it then go for the pentium 4, but if you dont mind that few frames slower and want to pay less, get amd amd chips are for now! meaning used for applications out right now intel chips are prepared for the future with sse2 personally, im still not sure what im getting but price will be a big factor, since with computers, you cannot win. maybe when the intel develops the pentium 4 further with a lower price, then ill purchase it. for the people that build computers, i found the price of a amd system and a pentium 4 system with equal ddr and rdram to have a price difference of $500. – by some guy |
intel vs amd(9:01pm est mon mar 26 2001) maybe im just wasting time even posting this but… after many benchmarks ive seen at different sites it all comes down to what you wanna do with your system and price if u can afford it and are going to play games with it then go for the pentium 4, but if you dont mind that few frames slower (but games are still mainly dependent on the video card) and want to pay less, get amd amd chips are for now! meaning used for applications out right now intel chips are prepared for the future with sse2 personally, im still not sure what im getting but price will be a big factor, since with computers, you cannot win. maybe when the intel develops the pentium 4 further with a lower price, then ill purchase it. for the people that build computers, i found the price of a amd system and a pentium 4 system with equal ddr and rdram to have a price difference of $500. – by some guy |
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cut the x86 craps(3:41am est sun apr 29 2001) in recent years there's been a debate on who's better than who. is it intel or is it amd, is it pentium or athlon (both cisc) and so on. my question is, how about powerpc developed by motorola, apple and ibm? apple's powerpc 450mhz (risc) for imac is faster than pentium iii 1ghz..so what's the fuzz. i hope that even the powerpc processor will be available for pc instead of being excusively used by mac. forget who's better than who coz monopoly is not a good thing, a competition is. by the way, i really hope that there'll be powerpc available for pc. – by fendi |
re:cut the x86 craps (10:11am est tue may 01 2001) first of all, since the old days of 486, intels x86 with many architechtonic changes closed the gap between cisc and risc, so you can't even compare between powerpc 450mhz and pentium iii. second, intel tried many times (e.g. i860)to get ride of the x86 arch. me as an engineer in intel knows it very well. a new architechture will allow intel run its chips much faster. the problem is that the market is stucked ind only long term change will move it from the x86. – by ofer |
piv 1.5 ghz faster than piii 1.0 ghz(9:07pm est fri jun 01 2001) can an ibm piv 1.5 ghz pc process visual basic code faster than a ibm piii 1.0 ghz pc, or not … does anyone know? – by dead programmer |
athlon is better than pentium3(8:53am est fri aug 17 2001) athlon 600mhz with 128mb ram same faster than pentium 3 700mhz with 128 ram. – by ttle |
2cpu (12:56am est sun apr 07 2002) i have 2 cpus 400 mghz each on one mother board my os system windows 2000. with 256 megs of ram currentky only on cpu is [email protected] there a way to paralle them so they could operate in tendom at @ 800 mghz. both processors are pentium. my e mail address is [email protected] – by thomas vadas |
pentiums are the standard.(10:31pm est thu jun 06 2002) you amd fools!!!….have a look at business machines, they use pentium, software and hardware was designed to be compatible with pentium…my mate has an amd.and he cant even load load win95 on it without a patch..and this is one of the most simple os around. so remember u amd ppl, when your pc blue screens next time..its trying to look for a pentium procesor, but keeps running into another major disaster!! – by pentium kicks arse |
macintosh rules(5:40am est fri aug 09 2002) who cares what * name * your crappy windozzzze machines have … youl never be as cool as macintosh .. and now we have unix so we will slowly take world domination and sh*t on the antichrist that is pc – by steve jabs |
sdf(3:12am est sat jun 14 2003) sdf – by sdf |
features of pentium 111 600mhz and its software(11:55am est mon oct 13 2003) pls, i want to know all the features of its software in pentium 111 600mhz. – by nnadi thelma |
price for intel 586 1997(9:22am est thu nov 13 2003) price – by dennis |
price for intel 586 1997(9:23am est thu nov 13 2003) price? – by dennis |
histroy of all intel cpu(1:42am est fri feb 13 2004) th – by er |
hahahaha(4:51pm est mon apr 26 2004) hahahahhaha i already have pentium 4ahh hahhahaha – by pussy |
pentium change(10:51pm est mon oct 11 2004) my computer was not working correctly so a relative took it to a friend of his. he kept it over the weekend. it was a pentium 111. now it says it is a pentium 11. did i get ripped off? – by pam |
all this bull crap (6:19am est wed jun 15 2005) all this bull crap u are talking in the year 2000..and now in 2005.. five years after this article was publish, these are the observations – intel finally gave up rd.. back to dd – amd beat the crap out of intel.. with the new athlon 64 and fx series.. – amd beat the crap out of intel server processors (xeon and itanium) with their opteron plattform – amd 64bit is much much better than intel 64bit approach.. ms offically supports amd64 and not the ia64 like that initially did… salute to jerry sanders!! – by theboss |